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Posted: 05 Oct 2014 at 3:07pm

Kmesaaz, this could be a little protracted and will be somewhat opinionated, so take it for what it is worth.

I towed our RP 175 for 2 and a half years with our 4.6l, 6 speed Tundra. I used a WDH exclusively, not because I felt I had to, but because I owned one. The Pod/Tundra was a fine combo. I, like you, towed a folding trailer (Chalet) in the past, and hope your Aliner was a better rig than the POS Chalet. I towed the Chalet w/out a WDH and with an F150 and never had any towing problems.

We replaced the Pod this spring with a longer (21'), wider, heftier (4700 lb. wet) Kodiak, and we returned this week from a 2+ week trip to your part of the country. We revisited Bryce, Zion, Mesa Verde, Arches, and Canyonlands for the first time in about 25 years--beautiful country!

Towing mostly in Washington and Oregon over the years, the climbs and winds are pretty equal to the SW region. But your area adds horsepower sapping elevation, and much faster speed limits and truck speed limits. Traveling faster to not hold up traffic, and being passed by semi's and triples pushing past the 70 mph truck limits made me appreciate my WDH a little more than usual during this trip. And sorry Podophiles, but my considered opinion is that the larger Pods should either be equipped with dual axles or at least much heftier axles and tires, as others are stumping for currently. This is one of the reasons I didn't replace our RP 175 with a 178. So, yes, more than for some people, I think a WDH might be a nice addition for your towing conditions.

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Posted: 05 Oct 2014 at 2:57pm

I towed a popup for years that was suicide to tow w/o sway control, so I was happy to tow thepod for years with nothing. ThenI had a bad wind day and decided I needed something. Went all the way and got a WDH that includes sway control. That was a massive improvement in ride quality.

That was driving a Sienna minivan. When I move to my Suburban I tried a half-trip w/o the WDH engaged and immediately went back to using it for the trip home. The ride quality was much better, even driving a full-sized truck.

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Posted: 05 Oct 2014 at 2:13pm

Thanks. Is your pod over 3000? Mine isn't, but could/would be when loaded.

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Posted: 05 Oct 2014 at 12:57pm

KMESAAZ,

Az motor vehicle regs require traier brakes on all trailers over 3000 lbs. A brake controller is needed in your tow vehicle. If your vehicle has a factory tow wiring setup, you buy the adapter, and the controller to plug in at any RV supply.

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Posted: 05 Oct 2014 at 11:55am

You should take your Tundra to an RV center and have them install an appropriate brake controller if you don't feel up to doing it yourself.

Since I have owned a 4Runner in the past, I am going to guess that the thing in your glove box is a wire harness for connecting a trailer proportional brake controller. As a reference, I use a Tekonsha Prodigy P3 brake controller, it is very versatile, and can control small and very large trailer brake systems.

The Tundra should not be towing the R-Pod without a brake controller. It would mean that you would be using the Tundra brake system to stop the weight of the R-Pod. This would be bad for safety, and your truck brake system as well.

I am also guessing that the Toyota Tundra tow package is a factory receiver and brake controller pre-wired, plus some other goodies like bigger alternator and more transmission cooling.

You have to purchase the brake controller yourself, there are a lot of different ones out there, but a proportional controller is best, and most adjustable. The R-Pod has electric brakes, but it cannot control when they come on by itself. That is what a brake controller is for.

The harness supplied by Toyota will be connected to the brake controller (4 wires, easy to do also), and then it will be plugged into the brake controller socket under the left foot well (typical for vehicles with a tow package). Mounting the brake controller is your or an installers responsibility. My old 4Runner was very easy.

Again, trying to tow the R-Pod without using it's brakes, unsafe on the highway, I wouldn't trust any vehicle brake system to stop 3000 pounds extra from highway speeds.

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Posted: 05 Oct 2014 at 11:19am

I guess you're hitting the road tomorrow. I strongly suggest you find out about the trailer brakes in you Tundra. Get them set up and working, and understand how they work. If possible, do it before your trip. It sounds like you may have everything you need, except maybe the actual controller. Anyway, find out. You have plenty of pulling power and more stopping power than a lot of TVs out there, but without the trailer brakes hooked up the pod will still push you, and perhaps jackknife, in a hard stop.

I never had trailer brakes before the pod. I bought mine used about 200 miles from home and didn't have brakes when I pulled it back. Almost bought the car in front of me less than 10 minutes down the road. I really took it easy and white knuckled it the rest of the way.

I tow with an FJ Cruiser -- I don't have the tow capacity you do -- but I've never felt the need for a WDH hitch or sway control. I get a sense of sway sometimes when I have too much fresh water in the tank, which reminds me to drain the tank unless I have a real good reason to be carrying the water. (There was post yesterday from someone who lost his pod and nearly his life due to a full tank of water (which is behind the axle and thus lowers your tongue weight at the same time in increases your overall weight.) The low tongue weight increases the likelihood of sway and fishtailing.)

You'll just about forget the pod is behind you with your Tundra, until you fill up with gas, or until you have to make a quick stop without trailer brake. It might cost a couple hundred dollars, with labor, at a U-Haul store or Camping World, and take an hour, but you really want your brakes working. Besides, it's the law in many states for trailers over X pounds.

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Posted: 05 Oct 2014 at 10:54am

Toolman John--please don't even assume that we are speaking the same language...j/k My towing experience has been with an F 150, a Ford Aerostar van and my Tundra. Only towing jet skis, or a pop-up, or teardrop, or an Aliner. Always with a Uhaul after market hitch, except for the Tundra which has a tow package. I never even thought to consider weight of anything...nor brakes, or anything but hitting the road and 'gettin out of Dodge.'

So, at the moment I need a new hitch because the existing one is too low. The pod has electric brakes and the Tundra has 'something' in the glove box for the brakes. I don't even know what a proportional trailer brake controller is....(on the pod?)

And the paperwork on the pod states "axle riser" as equipment. Somewhere I remember reading 2" or 3" axle riser, but can't find it now.

Feel free to keep asking questions and making comments. They are appreciated.

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Posted: 05 Oct 2014 at 10:03am
Originally posted by kmesaaz

Podster--you are correct about what I did/needed with the Aliner. My tow vehicle is a 2005 v8 Toyota Tundra. My mechanic doesn't think I will need weight distribution and sway control for the pod. Likewise, he said to just drive a bit and see how the pod pulls and brakes. He has told me that twice, but I am still a little nervous. Tomorrow I am getting a new hitch and will ask at that shop. (of course they will probably want to sell me something...) Thanks for responding.

I am going to assume you have a proportional trailer brake controller installed already, and know how to set it correctly. Hopefully you get the Pod axle risers installed, this helps with getting in and out of uneven sites, and can eliminate dragging a stabilizer jack.

You won't "need" a weight distribution hitch setup with you Tundra, it can handle the Pod tongue weight no problem.. You may want a friction sway control.. If you feel, after a long trip, that the R-Pod introduces any unwanted motion in your tow vehicle (tail wagging the dog), then by all means , get a WD hitch.

Personally, I have only had a cheap friction sway controller, and my R177 tows fine over several hundred miles. The only time I notice the "tail wagging the dog" is when overtaking semi tractor trailers. The Pod gets buffeted, and it isn't nice and smooth as usual, so I get by the offending semi on the climbs.

Just remember to disconnect/remove the sway control (friction style) when backing up. They can lock up the hitch during a sharp turn in reverse, it can restrict the hitch and damage something.

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Posted: 05 Oct 2014 at 9:11am

A 178. My trips will be in the national parks out my way. I travel to Grand Canyon, Zion, Yellowstone, Bryce and Lake Powell frequently. In state, I "beat the heat" in the summer and head north to cooler temps. For dispersed camping in the national forests on dirt roads would WDH and Sway be needed or helpful?

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Posted: 05 Oct 2014 at 7:04am

My 2¢...Of course the Tundra will pull it, no problem and I'm sure the truck has plenty of hitch weight (HW) head-room. So technically you probably don't need the WDH to increase capacities like I do. However, at some point you may still want it. A proper WDH and Sway set up takes most of the "White Knuckle" out of towing. It creates a more manageable and more agreeable relationship between the TV and camper. It reduces the "see saw" affect on ruff roads and dampens bow waves from semi trucks, not to mention a sudden crosswind blast. And there is sometimes the task of fighting a constant heavy across wind all day. I would say if you are going to use the set up for occasional trip to your local State Park then it no big deal. If your planning to trek coast to coast you may want it so you can rest a little more easy behind the wheel. What model POD are you getting?

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